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Guyhesel
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posted 01-20-2011 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Guyhesel   Click Here to Email Guyhesel     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
I am trying to find a copy of a particular study from 1990 by Norman Ainsley, The validity and reliability of polygraph examinations in real cases). I know it is an old study but does anyone have a copy or know where I can obtain it?
Thanks
Guy H

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Ted Todd
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posted 01-20-2011 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Guy,

Does this help?

Deep Blue Detection - Validity and ReliabilityScientific evidence supports the high validity of polygraph examinations. ... Norman Ansley reported that from all studies of real cases conducted from 1980 ... www.deepbluedetection.co.za/

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Guyhesel
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posted 01-22-2011 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Guyhesel   Click Here to Email Guyhesel     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Ted,

I am trying to find the actual study itself, It is a very well quoted study (I have used it myself and it is refered to on the APA site) yet not so easy to get hold of. I believe it was published in the APA Journal years before my time.

Thanks for your help
Guy

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Bob
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posted 01-22-2011 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob     Edit/Delete Message
Good Morning Guy;

I have the 1990 APA Journal with the article 'the Validity and Reliability of Polygraph Decisions in Real Cases' by Norman Ansley.

Later tonight or tomorrow I'll try scanning it to a pdf format and email it to you.

Bob

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Ted Todd
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posted 01-22-2011 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Bob,

I knew one of our guys out there would have it! Can I get a copy as well?

Thanks

Ted

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Guyhesel
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posted 01-22-2011 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Guyhesel   Click Here to Email Guyhesel     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Bob, that will be a great, my email is guy@polygraphs.co.uk

Whenever in need of information this Forum seems to deliver, Thanks!!

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rnelson
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posted 01-22-2011 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
It is probably time to start thinking about updating this old study.

Ansely (1990) claims to have reported all studies in the last decade (1980s). First, he did not report all studies. Two conspicuous missing pieces are Kircher and Raskin (1988) regarding single issue ZCT exams, and Barland Honts & Barger (1989) regarding multi-issue screening. Second, many of them seem to have perfect or near perfect accuracy.

Just what exactly has happened since the 1980s that has caused the polygraph to become less accurate???

Continuing to claim accuracy levels of 98% seems to gets us some snickers and incredulous responses from scientific folks who have read the NRC study and other published literature.

Another obvious piece of slight-of-hand fakery will be any attempt to schlep these 98% accuracy figures onto screening exams.

Anyone who provides evidence that is Too-Good-To-Be-Truer, in the form of perfect or near perfect results should be subject to scrutiny. Not just in polygraph. Other fields of science have their share of problems too, when they want something so badly - due to need or financial incentives - that they don't take the time to check and re-check all the evidence and all the alternative views of the available evidence until it they are already embarrassed. This is exactly why we need to insist that PDD test developers show their validation data, and not just their results.

People with more objectivity doesn't seem to agree or find the same kind of near perfect results. They do find that polygraph accuracy is very good, just not near perfect. In reality, criterion validity of polygraph results seems to be about on par with other good tests in other fields of science.

The folks in Utah achieved accuracy in the .90s by sticking to the principles that were supported by data and keeping the test focused on a set of questions that they interpret as a single issue. Of course, multi-issue screening exams are mathematically complicated and will have weaker criterion accuracy. More issues = less measurement and observation of each issue, + more opportunities for inconclusive or erroneous results. Its just math.

A more rigorous survey of validated techniques in 2006 showed polygraph accuracy in the same range of upper .80s to low .90s.

So, if what we want is something old to help with short-term marketing, then may be the old reports are helpful.

If what we want is to be taken seriously by smart critics and ensure our long-term usefulness, then citing the old overly optimistic stuff may only distance and marginalize us among academics and critics in the forensic sciences.

Polygraph is a good test, and it is probably possible to increase its effectiveness in some incremental ways. But we will do a better job helping ourselves by keeping it real.

.02

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Bob
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posted 01-23-2011 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob     Edit/Delete Message
Guy and Ted;

A pdf has been sent to you in regards to Ansley's study. Let me know if they are not received and I' ll resend it.

bob

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Ted Todd
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posted 01-23-2011 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Bob,

Nothing came in. I am at ted.todd@comcast.net

THX

Ted

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Bob
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posted 01-24-2011 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob     Edit/Delete Message
Ted;

That explains it- I had sent it to you twice, but the email was returned as undeliverable. I had used a different email address for you. I will resend it tonight for you.

bob

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dkrapohl
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posted 01-24-2011 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dkrapohl   Click Here to Email dkrapohl     Edit/Delete Message
Ray's point about reporting extraordinary accuracy is right on, and warrants our attention. If you go into the published literature on polygraph accuracy, there is a fascinating trend that becomes clear when you lay out who the authors were. There are two very distinct groups of results: those offered by independent researchers, and those who are researching either their own live cases or their own techniques. Independent research points to an accuracy in the high 80s to low 90s for specific-incident testing, as Ray said. Research published by those who reviewed their own field cases or studied their own techniques have an accuracy around 98%, and many at 100%. To avoid pointing fingers at our current generation of culprits, I'll reach back into lie detection history for examples. Marston reported 98% mean accuracy for his discontinous blood pressure method (1917 and 1921), Summers had an average of 99% for his Pathometer (late 1930s), and MacNitt in 1942 had 100% accuracy with his RI cases. With that kind of accuracy, it seems strange that we claim our current polygraph methods are even better.

What can explain this trend? I have two hypotheses to offer.

One, authors writing about their own work or inventions unconsciously (or not) conduct case selection in a way that minimize the discovery of their own errors.

Second hypothesis: each of us can have the highest accuracy if we invent our own personal methods or grade our own work.

If the first hypothesis is true, we should be very cautious about field research authored by folks looking at their own stuff. Unfortunately, this is what constitutes a lot of Norm's report. I agree with Ray that it is time to update that project.

If the second hypothesis is true, that each of us needs to invent and validate our own techniques, polygraphy would then be unique among the disciplines in that individual methods are more valid than standardized ones. And that would be remarkable, indeed.

Don

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